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Post by Ash on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:10 am

|Infestation Dracomancer|0||Dragon/Effect|Dark|4||2000|0|When this card is Normal Summoned; you can switch this card to Defense Position: Add 1 "Infestation Dracomancer" from your Deck to your hand.|

|Diamond Head Terra-Driller|0||Machine/Effect|Earth|4||1800|1100|During the End Phase of a turn this card battled; you can return this card to your hand: your opponent sends cards from the top of their Deck to the Graveyard for each attack declared this turn.|

|Primordisaur|||Dinosaur/Effect|Earth|1||0|0|You can return 1 Level 5 or higher Dinosaur-Type monster on your side of the field to your hand: Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. During this turn, you cannot Summon a monster with the same name as the returned monster.|

|Stingerwing Vespid|||Insect/Effect|Earth|3||1200|1100|If this monster is destroyed as a result of battle: Special Summon 1 "Stingerwing Vespid" from your Deck and destroy 1 Attack Position monster your opponent controls.|
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Post by Anime Girl References on Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:28 am

Infestation Dracomancer is okay with 2000 ATK considering you don't get to use it's efffect along with it's Attack because of the Defense Position switch.

Diamond Head's mill effect seems okay for what it is.

Is Primordisaur's effect during your Main Phase only, or can you activate it during the opponent's turn too?

Stingerwing is rad as all hell.

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Post by Ash on Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:15 am

Primordisaur would activate like any other monster, it won't activate during your opponents turn, or in response to opponents cards unless it specifically states it can. So yeah, Main Phase only.

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Post by Seattleite on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:44 am

Ash wrote:|Infestation Dracomancer|0||Dragon/Effect|Dark|4||2000|0|When this card is Normal Summoned; you can switch this card to Defense Position: Add 1 "Infestation Dracomancer" from your Deck to your hand.|

I don't like that this is optional. Even if you're ok with breaking the 1900 ATK for Effect monsters rule I think it has too much ATK for that effect.

|Diamond Head Terra-Driller|0||Machine/Effect|Earth|4||1800|1100|During the End Phase of a turn this card battled; you can return this card to your hand: your opponent sends cards from the top of their Deck to the Graveyard for each attack declared this turn.|

Kinda hard to use. Maybe just "During an End Phase...."?

|Primordisaur|||Dinosaur/Effect|Earth|1||0|0|You can return 1 Level 5 or higher Dinosaur-Type monster on your side of the field to your hand: Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. During this turn, you cannot Summon a monster with the same name as the returned monster.|

Ooh, good for Glyphosaurus.

|Stingerwing Vespid|||Insect/Effect|Earth|3||1200|1100|If this monster is destroyed as a result of battle: Special Summon 1 "Stingerwing Vespid" from your Deck and destroy 1 Attack Position monster your opponent controls.|

I think it's broke. Don't murder me
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Post by Anime Girl References on Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:40 pm

|Stingerwing Vespid|||Insect/Effect|Earth|3||1200|1100|If this monster
is destroyed as a result of battle: Special Summon 1 "Stingerwing
Vespid" from your Deck and destroy 1 Attack Position monster your
opponent controls.|

I really like this card, although the effect is on the borderline of "extremely useful" and "too useful".

I think it depends on how much use the card can get actually. The effect is strong but I have to see how it's applied to a basic deck to decide if it's going to cause some major problems.

Otherwise it's a good "boom headshot" card for the insects.

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Post by Ash on Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:59 pm

Seattleite wrote:
Ash wrote:|Infestation Dracomancer|0||Dragon/Effect|Dark|4||2000|0|When this card is Normal Summoned; you can switch this card to Defense Position: Add 1 "Infestation Dracomancer" from your Deck to your hand.|

I don't like that this is optional. Even if you're ok with breaking the 1900 ATK for Effect monsters rule I think it has too much ATK for that effect.

Well it's either a Vanilla beater, or a Gadget that will almost certainly be ran over. It's ATK means nothing if you're searching with it.

|Diamond Head Terra-Driller|0||Machine/Effect|Earth|4||1800|1100|During the End Phase of a turn this card battled; you can return this card to your hand: your opponent sends cards from the top of their Deck to the Graveyard for each attack declared this turn.|

Kinda hard to use. Maybe just "During an End Phase...."?

Meh, it was a random idea for Mill, I don't really care about it that much.

|Primordisaur|||Dinosaur/Effect|Earth|1||0|0|You can return 1 Level 5 or higher Dinosaur-Type monster on your side of the field to your hand: Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. During this turn, you cannot Summon a monster with the same name as the returned monster.|

Ooh, good for Glyphosaurus.

Well theres more Dinosaurs than Glyph, but yeah.

|Stingerwing Vespid|||Insect/Effect|Earth|3||1200|1100|If this monster is destroyed as a result of battle: Special Summon 1 "Stingerwing Vespid" from your Deck and destroy 1 Attack Position monster your opponent controls.|

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An argument as to why it might be broke would probably be preferred to outright murder. With Extortion, Diabolus, Scrap then peoples personal techs for removal, you're likely going to have to crash this to get anything out of it, and even then, all it would be doing is levelling out a field full of monsters your opponent has. I'm not even sure it's that splashable - it's a 3 card investment to make full use of that will likely take up the Normal Summon/Set that is of the utmost importance to most decks - a lot of things need to get their power cards on the field quickly and it's their Normal Summons that put them in place. When they do, Stingerwing would be an afterthought, or a card you'd prefer to be protection for your field. The only places I can say for sure that Stingerwing would have a home is Insects (a more control-focused approach, mind you - not a build that focuses on a quick Vermin Raiser) and at slightly more of a stretch (due to BSL existing) Stun/Anti-Meta.
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Post by Ash on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:13 pm

so yeah, convince me because i just see a cool floater that might be a cool tech if you have the room and you don't have something much more pressing that would take priority if you were to have both at any given moment.

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Post by Seattleite on Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:19 am

"Well it's either a Vanilla beater, or a Gadget that will almost certainly be ran over. It's ATK means nothing if you're searching with it."

If I were to make this card I would give it 1900 ATK. It's just the fact that it's optional, you're giving a positive effect to the highest acceptable ATK for a Level 4 in the game. Sorry but I see a problem with that.

To that other card:

Because it encourages excess monster removal - For once when someone tries to destroy something in battle they lose advantage while your opponent's field remains untouched. They'll have to waste those resources on something so easy to get out, instead of on Synchros / Xyzs / Tribute Monsters / anything else. I just think it's bad for the game.
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Post by Ash on Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:03 pm

Yes, it's optional which means choosing not to activate it's effect means you're summoning a 2000/0 vanilla. If you choose to activate it's effect, it's a Gadget that gets run over. It's only positive effect means effectively wasting your Normal Summon on a meatshield. IMO, you're reading too much into the stats and the "highest acceptable ATK for a Level 4 in the game" than its effect and playability.

It encourages monster removal in a game where monsters are summoned at an insanely quick rate - it's so easy to spam boss monsters and synchro's that it's almost unreal. What this is, is a clunky swarm blocker that requires A - Use of Normal Summon/Set. B - not drawing into multiple copies. C - not being blown to shit by the 1-4-1 removal everyone runs in multiples.

I don't see why there would be a problem with the Dragon - Vespid, I can understand concerns but it's a engine that most decks can't make space to run, and gives slower control decks a way to fight back against an overwhelming field.

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Post by Anime Girl References on Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:26 pm

So, when you first Normal Summon it, that's the only time you can activate it's fetch effect? Well, I guess I can see how that would be okay to have 2000.

And I am okay with Vespid, I just got the "I've never seen a card effect like this" jitters. Kind of like when Dark Horus first came out and I was like "holy shit this thing is fucking evil" and then I used a Dark Horus deck and went "oh, boo."

And the same thing happened when D.D. Warrior Lady came out during UDE's reign over Yugioh.

Card Effects are far more powerful when first written than they are played, unless they are obviously overpowered. They have a Shock factor to them.
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