Transcending Curses (Self-Searching Traps)

|Transcending Cursenchanting|XXX|TRCR|Spell Card|Spell|Normal||||Select up to 3 "Transcending Curse" Trap Cards in your Graveyard and return them to the deck.|

|Transcending Curse of the Rotting Eyes|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Normal||||When you activate this card, declare 1 card name. Your opponent discards all copies of the declared card from their hand. When this card is sent to the Graveyard or resolves successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

|Transcending Curse of Facetwisting|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Normal||||Negate the activation of a Effect Monster's effect until the End Phase. When this card is sent to the Graveyard or resolves successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

|Transcending Curse of the Exploding Heart|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Normal||||Activate this card when your opponent Normal or Special Summons a monster. If that monster would declare an attack, it is destroyed after damage calculation. After this card is sent to the Graveyard or is resolved successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

|Transcending Curse of Bonelock|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Normal||||Activate this card when your opponent would enter their Battle Phase. End the Battle Phase immediately. After this card is sent to the Graveyard or is resolved successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

|Transcending Curse of Aimless Wandering|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Counter||||Activate only as Chain Link 3 or higher. All other card's effect(s) in the current chain become "This card is sent to the Graveyard." After this card is sent to the Graveyard or is resolved successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

|Transcending Curse of Armor Leprosy|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Normal||||Reduce the ATK of 1 face-up monster on the field by half. After this card is sent to the Graveyard or is resolved successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

|Transcending Curse of Forced Slumber|XXX|TRCR|Trap Card|Trap|Normal||||Flip 1 face-up monster on the field into face-down Defense Position. After this card is sent to the Graveyard or is resolved successfully, select 1 "Transcending Curse" Trap Card in your deck and set it on the field.|

Darkest Hour wrote:I would like to refrain from adding that to too many of them since that is one of the more effective strategies they have in place. While yeah, having a flip-down every turn would be good for Nox, is it a major problem to have that? I haven't found very many good flip-down cards. And the "end 3 Battle Phases immediately" thing I find useful to keep the opponent at bay until my monsters can come up with a solution since being swarmed in the face could lead to my demise.

Seattleite wrote:

Darkest Hour wrote:I would like to refrain from adding that to too many of them since that is one of the more effective strategies they have in place. While yeah, having a flip-down every turn would be good for Nox, is it a major problem to have that? I haven't found very many good flip-down cards. And the "end 3 Battle Phases immediately" thing I find useful to keep the opponent at bay until my monsters can come up with a solution since being swarmed in the face could lead to my demise.

Nox have their facedown cards, and i'm sure snowy is thinking of more Just that the chance of getting 3 is multiplied by 3 since they all search each other immediately, and you deckthin too by book of mooning everything is a problem, so that's why they need the "Other than this card" part.

Yes I do think end 3 battle phases will be a problem, like Swords. but multiplies chance by 3 and deckthins majorly. Even though swords might be fine here they all must be somewhat less powerful than ordinary traps because of that. Skipping 3 battle phases in total is fine but in succession (without the clause) would just have many decks running 3 copies of it just for the deck thinning and stall.

Transcending Curse of Armor Leprosy was changed, i see. It should be a less powerful version of shrink (since again shrink doesn't search copies of itself to be used continuously). Maybe "Decrease ATK by 700"? Since otherwise you would get 3 insta-wins in battle.

But all in all, I guess only Leprosy, Bonelock and Slumber only really need the "Other than this card" clause.

Darkest Hour wrote:

I have yet to figure out exactly why deckthinning is bad if Exodia does not exist in this game, or Exodius the Ultimate Forbidden Lord or Chimeratech Overdragon, or Five-Headed Dragon. We may have them soon. Reducing the amount of cards you have in your deck is not bad for the game at all since all it does is remove cards from the deck and increase the changes of some other unimportant cards to be drawn by 0.25% for each card. That's still less than 1% even if you searched out everything. It's more than 1% because you'll have 34 cards to start out with after the first turn and factoring in you want to get 1 out of 3 cards in your deck, reduced by 2... I'm not good with probablility but i know it's more than 1%, and still that's not the only factor that makes these good. Deck Manipulation may be bad (aka putting cards ontop of your deck and then drawing them or adding any card in your deck to your hand and whatnot) but Deck Thinning is hardly something to worry about. All in all it's a luck based number game that rarely comes into play unless you lose because of it and think of the term "lucksack".

The problem with thinking it's a "battle insta-win" is that it's trivial. Having your 3000 beater get reduced to 1500 and then ran over by a 1600 monster is hardly broken at all, it's a general component requirement needed to get rid of that monster. Multiply that times 3.... You may hate the fact that it happened, but you have to remember that big monsters are just as vulnerable to being killed as big ones. If you devoted your entire deck to getting that big monster out the least you could do is make sure that it doesn't get killed off in a few seconds. And be prepared when it does die. Destruction doesn't come so easy here, not without a cost or a condition. Of course big monsters should be prepared to die, but you shouldn't have to prepare for a triple shrink in succession in which your opponent has a good chance of getting out.

Neither player really deserves to keep their strongest monster out on the field, regardless of how much resources it took to take it out, if it gets killed, it gets killed. If you happen to summon a card that powerful the least it could have is a backup plan, a survival tactic or effect defense . Your opponent will not be awed or shocked by the fact that you summoned an ultra-powerful monster. They will most likely be frustrated that they can't do crap to stop it and begin to hate it, especially if they have little chance of getting rid of it.
For the Forced Slumber, how about it just effect the opponent's monsters then? That would reduce the amount of Flip abuse it could use. Regardless of the fact that Nox are superpowerful with this card, it's a much needed type of effect negation and defense for most other decks that won't make it full-fledged removal or effect negation. I really don't like the Nox for holding such a stranglehold over flipdown cards and their effectiveness. So far there are almost no cards in this game that can resist this kind of effect, which is not my fault. Having a flipdown effect every turn isn't that overpowered at all generally, just very effective defense, which this game really lacks, since the majority of it is just stall, and not protection. Eh, ok. You've proven your point.

The difference between swords and Bonelock is the fact that Bonelock separates it's effects between two other cards, and Swords takes it's effect in only one, and will remain face-up on the field to be resent to the hand for reuse. Complaining about having a Negate Attack ready for 3 turns straight isn't very smart I would think, especially when there are cards who prevent card effects from being activated during the Battle Phase, negate traps completely, or can destroy them before even attacking, and having to activate this for 3 turns in order to get it's effects would take more deckspace than a Swords of Revealing light would. This is different than negate attack, because having 3 negate attack ready in your hand is taking up 3 slots of your hand. This Does take up less deckspace than swords since it is almost like having 37-38 cards in your deck with a few "skip the battle phases" in there. Swords is limited, so decks need to fill 2 more slots with something else.

There is nothing wrong with using Bonelock 3 turns in a row since your opponent will maintain advantage regardless. They don't lose any monsters, and they can still use effects. This just makes it so that Battle Phase driven effects and huge beatsticks don't kill you. Why is huge beatsticks the problem? What if your opponent is running a Control deck or Swarm deck and you are the one with the pants, picking off their monsters and they can't retaliate by picking off any of your monsters?

There is nothing wrong with using Armor Leprosy 3 turns in a row since this game lacks an effective shrinker anyway, and reducing the ATK of stronger monsters is one of the only ways that it's possible to kill them due to effects or support cards that would prevent card effects from killing them, while also reducing the ATK of some more annoying monsters ATK low enough so your weaker monsters can kill them. If we needed shrink, then we could make shrink. But again, the searching / advantage / deckspace involved makes this quite superior, and shrink no longer becomes something you can use to destroy a monster, it reproduces itself, killing 3, which is too much.

There is nothing wrong with using 3 Forced Slumbers in a row unless Nox decide to get a stupidly overpowered upgrade that would make them metadominatingly broken with these effects. So far though, I don't seem the Nox as a major game problem even with these cards since they lack the overall power to end games in one turn. Even then, flipping an Effect Monster or ritual monster or whatever isn't stupidly broken, and kind of a neccessity where large synchros, chain summoners and "boss monsters" seem to dominate this place too (unfortunately), and where overall destruction would be too much for this kind of card. Already agreed.

And hell, Mirror Wall exists which completely kills off this entire set and prevents them from ever being effective, why not side that? And if I run traps, that would ruin my deck too.

We may have them soon.

It's more than 1% because you'll have 34 cards to start out with after the first turn and factoring in you want to get 1 out of 3 cards in your deck, reduced by 2... I'm not good with probablility but i know it's more than 1%, and still that's not the only factor that makes these good.

Destruction doesn't come so easy here, not without a cost or a condition. Of course big monsters should be prepared to die, but you shouldn't have to prepare for a triple shrink in succession in which your opponent has a good chance of getting out.

This is different than negate attack, because having 3 negate attack ready in your hand is taking up 3 slots of your hand. This Does take up less deckspace than swords since it is almost like having 37-38 cards in your deck with a few "skip the battle phases" in there. Swords is limited, so decks need to fill 2 more slots with something else.

Why is huge beatsticks the problem? What if your opponent is running a Control deck or Swarm deck and you are the one with the pants, picking off their monsters and they can't retaliate by picking off any of your monsters?