Ash is a bitch

Darkest Hour wrote:I say Neigh.

Instead of a reset we could always just delete/errata cards that are a problem.

Even Avatar of Extinction and Salvation.

Seattleite wrote:Okay, there are a lot of broken cards. But there are also a lot of good cards, sub-par cards, and well-designed ones.

i have a comprehensive list of broken and very poorly designed cards

To suggest a "total" reset, or even only keeping 400 of the 2300 cards we have is overcompensating, and inconsiderate of those who stuck with the CCG for years (like me) and made cards every set, worked for hours to find images for cards, made decks, created strategies and overall invested too much time in this CCG to have all their work go down the drain.

this is highly selfish of you, i thought you wanted what was best for the ccg.

Ash, you said yourself, "somewhere along the line we've been influenced by the tcg far too much that our levels of balance have become similar to theirs"... ok, where is that somewhere? We don't need to delete everything just because recently cardmaking has gone sour.

it was pretty shitty to begin with, but after careful consideration acrd is where the powercreep really hiked up. tttt is where it all just went completely south

Besides, what would we do differently? Would we put in more time to stop broken cards coming in? Or would we continue to argue our sides about what is broken and what isn't and get nowhere? We need to come to a consensus on what the power level is and draw some clear lines.

group set review helps draw a consensus, this would also be done to deliberate what cards we would keep on post-reset and further sets. i for one will put the time in to try and stop broken cards. additionally you're bringing up hypothetical power-level debates that may or may not happen to try and reject the idea and i think that is in poor taste.

If none of you feel like going through all 2395 cards and saving the ones that are actually not broken, then I will. But I'm not going to say "save exactly 300 cards" because that would be dishonest and inconsiderate.

i've gone through all 2395 cards to find the ones that are, that are susceptible to future abuse, mess with loopholes, promote mindless play and are in bad design. either we go on a mass listing spree to bring the power level down or we reset - continuing with our current state is not going to make the game enjoyable. listing all these cards would also be inconsiderate. to errata them all would be incredibly time-consuming and a cop-out.

resetting gives us the ability to do what should have happened this time round, manage the game much more carefully. we as a group have been inconsiderate to the actual game itself. its meant to be an enjoyable hobby that you can make friends over, people should be willing to duel. the way we are, i don't want to play if my opponent is going to flat-out otk me, or prevent me from playing, or setting up fields on turn 1 that are unbreakable. its not fun. how do figure people will want to stick around if thats all they get?

how do you expect new people to join if thats what they get?

with all due respect, please get your head out of your arse.

Darkest Hour wrote:That, and this could be like one of MTG's blocks. I don't think we have to delete all the cards, just consider everything from Enchanted Illusion (ENIL) to Cataclysmic Retribution (CTRN) as part of a Block. It would be like two different sets for Vintage and Advanced. We don't have to delete anything, but we can still start fresh in two different environments. This would allow us the ability to Cross-Test with something other than the TCG (since their power creep has been going on for years), and allow new ideas to take root without having to ban cards every set.

It's inevitable that cards will begin to get outclassed or broken as new cards come in, it always happens. The larger the sets get, the more cards get lost in the set and are remade until there is broken interaction or dust-collecting copies that flood out.

This way, people can play the ENIL-CTRN block if they feel our new block doesn't have enough variation, and people will make cards to influence the new set pool without being afraid of somebody else's archetype or older support from breaking their cards.

Darkest Hour wrote:That, and this could be like one of MTG's blocks. I don't think we have to delete all the cards, just consider everything from Enchanted Illusion (ENIL) to Cataclysmic Retribution (CTRN) as part of a Block. It would be like two different sets for Vintage and Advanced. We don't have to delete anything, but we can still start fresh in two different environments. This would allow us the ability to Cross-Test with something other than the TCG (since their power creep has been going on for years), and allow new ideas to take root without having to ban cards every set.

It's inevitable that cards will begin to get outclassed or broken as new cards come in, it always happens. The larger the sets get, the more cards get lost in the set and are remade until there is broken interaction or dust-collecting copies that flood out.

This way, people can play the ENIL-CTRN block if they feel our new block doesn't have enough variation, and people will make cards to influence the new set pool without being afraid of somebody else's archetype or older support from breaking their cards.