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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:44 am

[15:23:56 06/02/12] @ Ash : what would happen if you could turn an xyz into a tuner?
[15:24:13 06/02/12] @ Ash : or an xyz into a synchro?
[15:24:20 06/02/12] Random Duelist : It would count for 0 levels
[15:24:29 06/02/12] Aquamarius : What's special about xyz to synchro?
[15:24:44 06/02/12] Aquamarius : Anyways, is the burn support card broken?
[15:24:47 06/02/12] Random Duelist : Formula Synchron + Xyz = Formula Synchron
[15:24:50 06/02/12] @ Ash : Breaking Dawn Alfred Attrib: Earth Type: Warrior/Synchro/Tuner/Effect Level:4 Atk: 1800 Def: 1100 1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters. When this card is Synchro Summoned: Target 1 face-up monster you control: That Target becomes a Synchro Monster.
[15:25:17 06/02/12] @ Ash : it's just, i was thinking about ninjitsu art of super transformation
[15:25:29 06/02/12] @ Ash : which is ruled that it cannot target xyz's
[15:25:49 06/02/12] Aquamarius : Then Alfred probably couldn't target Xyz either.
[15:25:53 06/02/12] Aquamarius : They were before his time.
[15:26:07 06/02/12] @ Ash : hmm
[15:26:19 06/02/12] @ Ash : might delve into that a bit more
[15:26:22 06/02/12] @ Ash : later though
[15:26:29 06/02/12] @ Ash : because i can't be bothered atm

"An Xyz Monster's Rank is not its Level. Xyz Monsters do not have levels. Therefore, they cannot be used for Synchro, Ritual, or Xyz Summons unless explicitly named as a requirement. Any effects that would refer to the Level of a monster, such as those of "Gravity Bind", "Level Limit - Area B", "Roulette Barrel", "Star Changer" and even "Burden of the Mighty" cannot be applied to any Xyz Monsters under any circumstances." Said by Lolwikia

so this may be a conflict, unless changing a Subtype of Xyz to Synchro is a declaration of changing a no level into a Level but is Level 0. but to Konami there is no Level 0 in the game, therefore never existed. I can assume that Breaking Dawn Alfred's effect is considered a Level changing effect hidden under it's main effect so then targeting an Xyz Monster is not applicable... I guess... O.o But if it does make a monster with no level into a Level 0, wouldn't that consider breaking the basic mechanic of the game? :S


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Post by Seattleite on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:02 pm

Monsters cannot have Level 0. Ever. Making an Xyz monster a Synchro behaves the same way as making a Spirit monster be a Tuner - It still is a Spirit monster, the subtype is just added on. So a monster can be treated as both an Xyz and Synchro monster using that effect but will still be treated "as having no level"

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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:04 pm

actually "Treated as" and "becomes" means a bit differently.

Treated as = Add on

Becomes = Replace

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Post by Seattleite on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:09 pm

Oh, i did not see that wording...

This sounds like one of those "divide by 0" cases Razz I don't think a ruling exists, how about we just change it to "treated as"?
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:11 pm

we could. I could think with becomes term it may break Alfred and destroy it?

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