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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:25 pm

You can shuffle this card from your hand into the Deck; draw 1 card. If this card is moved to a different place except the Deck from its current place except the Field by a card effect: You can Special Summon it. If this card is used as a Synchro Material for a Level 6, 8, 10 or 12 Synchro monster, you treat it as a level 4 monster and if you do, the other Synchro Material Monster(s) must be Level 2, 4, 6 or 8. You can only use 1 effect of "Lawful Devil " per turn.

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If this card is moved to a different place, except the Deck, from its current place, except the Field, by a card effect: You can Special Summon it. If this card is used for a Synchro Summon, you treat it as a level 4 monster and if you do, the other Synchro Material Monster(s) must be Level 2, 4, 6 or 8. The effect of "Lawful Devil" can only be activated once per turn.

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You can discard 1 card; shuffle this card from your hand into the Deck and draw 1 card. If this card is moved to a different place except the Deck from its current place except the Field by a card effect: You can Special Summon it. You can only use 1 effect of "Lawful Devil" per turn, and only once that turn. 
 
Because Thank to Aqua, now I understand what that clause mean.


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Post by Tungsten Butterfly on Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:54 pm

You can shuffle this card from your hand into the Deck; draw 1 card. If this card is moved to a different place except the Deck from its current place except the Field by a card effect: You can Special Summon it. 
what the hell


why isn't everyone using 3 of these
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Post by EMSOUP on Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:10 pm

The Upstart effect needs a remake. Also, credit should be dedicated to AqM, he/she is the one who pointed about Lawful Devil's problems
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Post by EMSOUP on Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:13 pm

The Upstart effect needs a remake. Also, credit should be dedicated to AqM, he/she is the one who pointed about Lawful Devil's problems
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:25 pm

EMSOUP wrote:The Upstart effect needs a remake. Also, credit should be dedicated to AqM, he/she is the one who pointed about Lawful Devil's problems
the shuffling itself part need a remake? as in reverse order or something like that?

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Post by EMSOUP on Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:32 pm

The concept of it is flawed in itself, an easily summonable variable generic tuner that's not dead in your hand is problematic. I'd say remove that part outright.
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:45 pm

EMSOUP wrote:The concept of it is flawed in itself, an easily summonable variable generic tuner that's not dead in your hand is problematic. I'd say remove that part outright.
I c and we already have few other cards to take care of that now, consider it gone.

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Post by Aquamarius on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:09 pm

Tungsten Butterfly wrote:
You can shuffle this card from your hand into the Deck; draw 1 card. If this card is moved to a different place except the Deck from its current place except the Field by a card effect: You can Special Summon it. 
what the hell


why isn't everyone using 3 of these
I said that in chat at some point, but nobody agreed with me and since I wasn't back for that long, I just assumed I was wrong


Also I'm a guy


Also yeah it'd be strong even if you remove the draw effect
But it'd feel really lame to draw it, cuz you generally want to mill it for a special summon or something
Consider maybe also adding a discard to the shuffle for draw effect? I dunno
Also the whole synchro material treat as lv4 thing is unnecessarily complicated
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Aquamarius wrote:
Tungsten Butterfly wrote:
You can shuffle this card from your hand into the Deck; draw 1 card. If this card is moved to a different place except the Deck from its current place except the Field by a card effect: You can Special Summon it. 
what the hell


why isn't everyone using 3 of these
I said that in chat at some point, but nobody agreed with me and since I wasn't back for that long, I just assumed I was wrong


Also I'm a guy


Also yeah it'd be strong even if you remove the draw effect
But it'd feel really lame to draw it, cuz you generally want to mill it for a special summon or something
Consider maybe also adding a discard to the shuffle for draw effect? I dunno
Also the whole synchro material treat as lv4 thing is unnecessarily complicated
you want it to have remake reshuffling effect and only have it just Level 1?

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"Curiosity does, no less than devotion, pilgrims make."
"The life which is unexamined is not worth living."
"We learn to do something by doing it. There is no other way."
"If life’s journey be endless where is its goal? The answer is, it is everywhere."
"The use of traveling is to regulate imagination by reality and, instead of thinking how things may be, to see them as they are."
"Those who plot the destruction of others often perish in the attempt."
"Sarcasm: the last refuge of the modest people when the privacy of the soul is intrusively invaded."
"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
"While we are postponing, life speeds by."
"Defeatism is the wretchedest of policies."
"Courage is not the towering oak that sees storms come and go–it is the fragile blossom that opens in the snow."
"Although the world is full of suffering it is also full of the overcoming of it."
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:06 pm

added another alternative.

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"The life which is unexamined is not worth living."
"We learn to do something by doing it. There is no other way."
"If life’s journey be endless where is its goal? The answer is, it is everywhere."
"The use of traveling is to regulate imagination by reality and, instead of thinking how things may be, to see them as they are."
"Those who plot the destruction of others often perish in the attempt."
"Sarcasm: the last refuge of the modest people when the privacy of the soul is intrusively invaded."
"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
"While we are postponing, life speeds by."
"Defeatism is the wretchedest of policies."
"Courage is not the towering oak that sees storms come and go–it is the fragile blossom that opens in the snow."
"Although the world is full of suffering it is also full of the overcoming of it."
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:16 pm

Added a poll, vote awaaaaaay~

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"Curiosity does, no less than devotion, pilgrims make."
"The life which is unexamined is not worth living."
"We learn to do something by doing it. There is no other way."
"If life’s journey be endless where is its goal? The answer is, it is everywhere."
"The use of traveling is to regulate imagination by reality and, instead of thinking how things may be, to see them as they are."
"Those who plot the destruction of others often perish in the attempt."
"Sarcasm: the last refuge of the modest people when the privacy of the soul is intrusively invaded."
"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
"While we are postponing, life speeds by."
"Defeatism is the wretchedest of policies."
"Courage is not the towering oak that sees storms come and go–it is the fragile blossom that opens in the snow."
"Although the world is full of suffering it is also full of the overcoming of it."
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Post by Aquamarius on Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:38 am

Looks like choice 1 is going through?
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