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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:44 pm

|Xyz Recreationl|???|????|Spell Card|Spell||Quick-Play|||Tribute 1 face-up Xyz monster you controls to target 2 monsters with same level that either banished and/or in your hand/Graveyard; Special Summon those target. Immediately after this card resolves, Xyz Summon 1 Xyz Monster using those targets. You can only activate 1 "Xyz override" per turn.|

|Xyz Override|???|???|Spell Card|Spell|||||Target 1 face-up Xyz Monster you control; choose 1 monster from your hand whose level is higher or lower than the target's rank and attach to it as Xyz material, then Xyz Summon 1 Xyz Monster using it as the Xyz materials whose Rank is equal to the Level of the monster attached to the target by this card's effect. Name, Type, Attribute, ATK or DEF of the monster attached by this card's effect must be the same as the Summoning Condition of the Xyz Monster.| 

|Over-Summon|???|????|Spell Card|Spell|||||Pay 1500 Life Points to target 1 Normal Summoned monster you control; Special Summon 1 monster from your hand, then that target's level become the same level as the Special Summoned monster. You cannot Special Summon any monster except from your Extra Deck this turn.|


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Post by EMSOUP on Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:46 pm

over summon seems to be overcosted. It's basically a Tannhauser gate +double summon for a Ns'd monster, which is usually level 4 or lower so the tannhauser part is not needed. Being able to summon anything is nice though.

Xyz override is freaking abusable, especially in decks with multiple level monsters. A level 1 means a monster reborn + a wall, a level 4 means an OTK machine(skyterror), a level 7 means Chernobog, and a level 8 means Ouroboros or peeping eye. Not to mention, you can access archetype/type/attribute specific card using this. Does it mitigate the -2? Depends on what you summon. Skyterror doesn't give any shit as long as you have targets for it(and you'll have enough material to spam its effect) Axe-arm can become really huge, and you can summon Icevale Frost breather for some high-end class torture.

The main problem is that most Xyzs doesn't have those convenient can only be Xyz summoned by the above material clause(and they doesn't usually need it). Coupled with the fact that the wording on the card itself is too broad, and now you might have a Metamorphosis grade problem.

Not being a quick-play is nice though. Anyway, a nice combo: Xyz lightning gatekeeper somehow, detach for any of his effect, summon something. Next, activate this, attaching a sparkling then summon Frost breather. A nice quality -1 that put pressure in your opponent. and many more decks can abuse this.

Xyz recreation might be a bit overpowered depending on whether the summoned monsters have an on summon effect or not. It's nice though to be a quick-play.
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:18 pm

EMSOUP wrote:over summon seems to be overcosted. It's basically a Tannhauser gate +double summon for a Ns'd monster, which is usually level 4 or lower so the tannhauser part is not needed. Being able to summon anything is nice though.

Xyz override is freaking abusable, especially in decks with multiple level monsters.  A level 1 means a monster reborn + a wall, a level 4 means an OTK machine(skyterror), a level 7 means Chernobog, and a level 8 means Ouroboros or peeping eye. Not to mention, you can access archetype/type/attribute specific card using this. Does it mitigate the -2? Depends on what you summon. Skyterror doesn't give any shit as long as you have targets for it(and you'll have enough material to spam its effect) Axe-arm can become really huge, and you can summon Icevale Frost breather for some high-end class torture.

The main problem is that most Xyzs doesn't have those convenient can only be Xyz summoned by the above material clause(and they doesn't usually need it). Coupled with the fact that the wording on the card itself is too broad, and now you might have a Metamorphosis grade problem.

Not being a quick-play is nice though. Anyway, a nice combo: Xyz lightning gatekeeper somehow, detach for any of his effect, summon something. Next, activate this, attaching a sparkling then summon Frost breather. A nice quality -1 that put pressure in your opponent. and many more decks can abuse this.

Xyz recreation might be a bit overpowered depending on whether the summoned monsters have an on summon effect or not. It's nice though to be a quick-play.

Over-Summon which  similiar effect i had thought in changing Reckless Tannhauser Gate's but it was debated that it may be Op'd so I had added a restriction and payment as the different cost.

Xyz Recreation may work ok if it is in trap but then even it can be abusable.or another restriction would be recommended as long as to avoid level restriction shits since it's a -1 result  

I put a bit of restriction on Xyz Override that the level of attached monster must differ from target's rank. It may not mean too much in some decks but in decks that usually focus 1 rank will be dead or having 2 ranks may be so-so but in deck that have 3+ ranks will not be dead. This also pose to be -2 result if nothing else.

EDIT: I add another condition in Xy Override that most extra requirements in their Summoning Condition will apply normally.

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Post by EMSOUP on Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:59 pm

recreation's main usage imo is the same as circle of the fire kings, swallow nest, or predatory chain of command, that is it's a chainable -1 that's can be used in many situations.

Override now is less abusable. It's awesome though that All Hallow Icevale can still have access to Frost Breather by ranking down a Deepsea Athlantal Guide you summoned via the Cryptid loop(you need to tech a level 3 water though, which is actually not that hard), or ouroboros if you have dweller in the deep in your hand(which is usually mained at 1-3). It's a great combo ending rather than 3x 1800 vanilla + a protection. Now you can have 2x 1800 vanilla + a shien + a protection + witch.

overall, it's fine though in its current form. Now we just need a searcher for Xyz cards....
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