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Post by Seattleite on Mon May 14, 2012 11:30 am

This is a Symbiotic Monster. They act like any other monsters, except in place of their DEF, is their "Life". When a Symbiotic Monster is attacked, whether in Attack or Defense position, subtract its Life from that monster's ATK, and it is not destroyed. When its life would reach 0 or below, the Symbiotic monster is destroyed.

Some things to note:

* For effects and other things, "Life" is treated as DEF.
* Damage calculation to a player is applied as normal. Damage to the monsters is different. If the Symbiotic monster is Attacked while in Attack position, a player takes damage equal to the difference, however neither monster is destroyed. If the Symbiotic monster is in Defense position, the "Life" is treated as DEF and damage calculation goes through as normal. If they attack your monster with a lower ATK than its Life, they take damage equal to the difference.
* If a Symbiotic monster is flipped face-down, changes to its Life is reset.
* Symbiotic monsters behave like Tuners - even when their effect(s) are negated, they still behave the way as shown above.
* The term "Original Life" is used to mean the printed Life (or DEF) on the card.

So I'll share some of my monsters and support here:

Fragrant Hydrangea
Plant / EARTH / Lv 4 / 1400 / 2100
(Sym) If this monster's Life is below 1000, it gains 1000 ATK.

Deafening Foghorn
Machine / LIGHT / Lv 2 / 500 / 1900
(Sym) This card can attack your opponent directly. When this card inflicts battle damage, decrease the ATK and DEF of all monsters your opponent controls equal to the damage.

Rapid Ballerina
Warrior / WIND / Lv 1 / 0 / 3000
(Sym) This card cannot be in Defense Position. When this card's life is decreased, increase this card's ATK by an equal amount.

Cornelius the Jugulator
Fiend / DARK / Lv 6 / 2400 / 3200
(Sym) This card can be Normal Summoned without tribute if the total life of all face-up monsters you control is equal or greater than this card's ATK. Once per turn, you can halve this card's Life to destroy 1 Set Spell or Trap card on the field. This card cannot attack directly this turn if you use this effect.

Balm of Gilead
Continuous Spell Card
During the end of your opponent's Battle Phase, the Life of all Symbiotic monsters you control becomes equal to their Original Life.
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Post by DIGITAL on Mon May 14, 2012 12:50 pm

it's a cool idea but I personally would not like it in game
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Post by Seattleite on Mon May 14, 2012 1:29 pm

Reasons? If there's a way to improve the concept i'd like to hear it Smile
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon May 14, 2012 1:45 pm

This concept is like MTG's style that how their creatures works actually. their toughness is reduced by the power.

they're more of Defensive monsters that would be a pain to deal with, and would take 2 or more monsters to kill off 1 monster or have ot use effect to kill them off. they'd be the champion in battle.

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Post by Anime Girl References on Mon May 14, 2012 2:11 pm

So....
Attack Position 1900 ATK vs. Defense Position 2000 DEF/LIFE

1900 ATK vs. 2000 DEF/LIFE

I take 100, it's LIFE is reduced by 1900?

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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Mon May 14, 2012 2:39 pm

yeah pretty much that way

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Post by DIGITAL on Mon May 14, 2012 9:16 pm

I just don't like it being placed in a yugioh game, i don't know why I don't like it though, sorry Razz
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Post by DIGITAL on Mon May 14, 2012 9:17 pm

does their health restart each turn like in magic?
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Post by Seattleite on Tue May 15, 2012 2:02 am

Darkest Hour wrote:So....
Attack Position 1900 ATK vs. Defense Position 2000 DEF/LIFE

1900 ATK vs. 2000 DEF/LIFE

I take 100, it's LIFE is reduced by 1900?

yes.

Dylan W. wrote:does their health restart each turn like in magic?

no.
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Post by Anime Girl References on Tue May 15, 2012 5:50 am

When this card battles with an opponent's monster, this card's Life is reduced by the ATK of the opponent's monster after damage calculation. This card is only destroyed in battle when it's Life is reduced to 0 by this effect.


Generic Symbiotic text?



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Post by Seattleite on Tue May 15, 2012 6:50 am

Darkest Hour wrote:
When this card battles with an opponent's monster, this card's Life is reduced by the ATK of the opponent's monster after damage calculation. This card is only destroyed in battle when it's Life is reduced to 0 by this effect.


Generic Symbiotic text?



we'd also have to put in "When this card is attacked, neither monster is destroyed in battle."

It's an idea, but I still would like it to be immune to skill drain-ish cards that create a bunch of huge impenetrable walls. Possibly "These effects cannot be negated" would be needed too.
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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue May 15, 2012 8:26 am

Actually I realize when I saw Spirit and Tuner. Spirit have subtype effect written normally unless said otherwise and Tuner was nothing more than a summoning condition holder for Synchro. If they have something addition to the subtype that applies to the entire Tuner it would be written instead. So this subtype have effects which will hav to be written... And so are my Evolution and Gainer and Transcend subtypes... Facepalmed*

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Post by ALiCE'S EMOTiON on Tue May 15, 2012 1:36 pm

Dylan W. wrote:it's a cool idea but I personally would not like it in game

This, just because I see it becoming a very OP'ed idea very quickly.

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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue May 15, 2012 3:54 pm

like I said, they'd become expert in combat. mostly it will take effects or several monsters to get rid of them.

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Post by Anime Girl References on Tue May 15, 2012 4:44 pm

What happens if a Symbiotic monster attacks?

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Post by CNo.101 S.H.Death Knight on Tue May 15, 2012 4:55 pm

If the Symbiotic monster is weaker than the opposing monster if you attack, the ruling as being attacked still apples unless the Symbiotic monster's ATK is higher

attacking a monster that is stronger than itself tend to be treated as if it being attacked and destroyed.

so the correct rulling for this wouldn't be being attacked but being in battle with another monster if it is weaker than them, so the life is being reduced either way.

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"Those who plot the destruction of others often perish in the attempt."
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